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Gromack: 'Shocked' at County's Road Lawsuit Threat

Letters were also submitted by: Clarkstown Police Chief Michael Sullivan, Harold Straut Chairman of the Nanuet Fire District, Christopher Dunlavey, Captain of the Nanuet Community Ambulance Corps and Anthony Sharan, Ramapo Superintendent of Highways

 

At Tuesday night's meeting, the Rockland County Legislature against Clarkstown for closing a Samuel Road in Nanuet without proper approval from the county's superintendent of highways. Legislator Frank Sparaco (R-Valley Cottage) voted against it and Legislator Jobson was absent. 

In response to this, letters have been submitted by

  • Clarkstown Supervisor Alex Gromack
  • Clarkstown Police Chief Michael Sullivan
  • Harold Straut Chairman of the Nanuet Fire District
  • Christopher Dunlavey, Captain of the Nanuet Community Ambulance Corps
  • Anthony Sharan, Ramapo Superintendent of Highways. 

The full letters are attached to this article as well.

"On behalf of our mutual residents of the Town of Clarkstown, I respectfully request that our Clarkstown Legislators sponsor a new resolution rescinding the one which was passed suing the Town at your next Legislative meeting on Tuesday September 4," said Gromack. "I don't know if I am more shocked or disappointed that prior to taking this vote against our residents in the County Legislature you did not think it was important to call me to learn the background and the truth as to why the Town reverted this road to its former dead end status, which was for the safety of our residents."

Clarkstown closed the road after pleaded with the Clarkstown Town Board to put a stop to the speeders driving through their Nanuet neighborhood.  the excessive speed and volume of vehicles puts their children and them at risk each day. 

"I don't think there has ever been a time in my 28 years as a public official that I never returned a call or refused to hold a meeting at the request of another elected official to discuss or clarify an issue, especially affecting the safety of our mutual residents," said Gromack. "What in the world were you (the legislators) thinking that night?" 

The legislature’s resolution also questions why the 170 plus-member Clarkstown Police Department cannot control speeding on a town street without closing it off to residents.

"The Clarkstown Police Department takes great pride in our vehicle and traffic enforcement policies and procedures," said Sullivan. "We have been working at the bequest of the residents of Newport Drive for the last two years on this issue ... However, our efforts have also led us to the inescapable conclusion that the real problem on Newport Drive is not speeding vehicles but the volume of traffic." 

"I would also like to note, the Rockland County Legislature press release of August 8th takes a negative swipe at the men and women of the Clarkstown Police Department. For the record, the job they do protecting the residents of the Town of Clarkstown is second to none and I find those remarks insulting to the professionalism and integrity of our Police Department," said Gromack. 

In response to concerns from area residents and emergency units about the response time with the road closure, a permanent, but movable gate has been installed as off Aug. 9 replacing the plastic barrier.

"I also want to address the issue that this move presents an unacceptable danger to the residents regarding emergency service response. A gate that can readily be opened and moved out of the way poses no serious response issue for the police department," said Sullivan. "The permanent gate can be easily opened by all emergency personnel and will reduce the volume of traffic for both neighborhoods. I believe this solution should be agreeable to both residents of Chestnut ridge and the Newport Drive neighborhood thus negating any legal action by the Rockland County Legislature." 

Straut added that the Nanuet Fire District has no objections with the installed metal gate; keys to the gate are being distributed to emergency personnel. 

"I have spoken with Chief Anthony Knapp regarding any mutual aid calls to the South Spring Valley Fire District who serves Chestnut Ridge as our district line coincides with the municipal boundary. Our drivers have already been instructed to use Pascack Road for routine access if necessary," he said. 

"The placement of this barricade/ crash gate—that is intended to divert passing motorists from travailing down Samuel Road and onto Newport Drive as a "short cut" to avoid the traffic on South Pascack roa—will not affect our daily operation, nor will the placement of this barricade/ crash gate hinder the response of emergency vehicles," said Dunlavey.

Sharan added that his department deals with a similar road closure—a gate in the Village of Montebello (Viola Road and Canterbury Lane). A photo of this gate is attached to the article. 

"The Town of Ramapo put our lock plus a Fire Department lock on the chain. So far there have not been any issues during snow removal operations," he said. 

Other Nanuet residents are  In May, Nanuet Resident Nicholas Miller sent a petition to Clarkstown Supervisor Alex Gromack with  from Nanuet residents of Duryea Lane, Duryea Place, Bradl Lane, Clearwater Court and Vincent Street.

Don August 11, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Kelly, that was what the chief said. Think about why he may have said that. All of the residents who worked with the town on this matter did it because of speeding. I was one of them and worked a lot with neighbors on this matter. There was not adequate enforcement to make a difference believe us. A solar sign does not do anything. The mobile unit that displays speed does not do anything. Know why? Cars were still going 45-70 mph. We have the reports.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 01:52 pm
Don, you never criticized the police about lack of enforcement until now?
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 01:59 pm
You shouldn't but they did. Is the Town Attorney Amy Wagner Mele, instrumental in closing this street, related to David Wagner who lives on Newport? If so, you may have your answer, but you check it out.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 02:00 pm
Maryann, are you there?
Don August 11, 2012 at 02:05 pm
I don't need to repeatedly bash the town and police like you do. The issue was sppeding, and there wasn't a significant reduction. Plain and simple.
It's a nice day, Watchdog. You should get out once in a while.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 02:25 pm
DON, The issue was NOT SPEEDING... It was and is VOLUME. Are you calling the Police Chief a liar? It was DON who bashed the police for lack of enforcement, wasn't it?
BTW, I have been out early this AM, thanks for your concern.
Don August 11, 2012 at 02:45 pm
I didn't bash them. There was no bashing, except within your posts. I said there was not adequate enforcement. That is not bashing. Good day, sir.
Maryann August 11, 2012 at 02:52 pm
I interpret what the police chief says as completely different - that there was significant volume and speeding and that enforcement helped provide some relief from the speeding issue, but that it wasn't a permanent solution. The ridiculously high volume on a long wide road with a nasty curve at the end is always going to give rise to speeding. We also had more than our fair share of drag racing late at night. While enforcement helped, the minute the police turned their attention elsewhere, it would ramp up again.The police can't set up a permanent post here.
However, none of that does anything to face the fact that the legislature went ahead and did this without, as far as I know, speaking to any of the residents of Newport Drive, and still refuse to do so. According to the Patch, Legislator Moroney met with Supervisor Gromack to represent the concerns of area residents. Obviously, however, he doesn't represent the concerns of all of his constituents since he hasn't discussed it or responded to any attempts to do so.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 04:30 pm
His comments are clear, not subject to your "interpretation" . Spin is more like it.
MORONEY went to see Gromack and he BLEW HIM off a few times. You now reap what you have sown. A lawsuit and residents at each others throats. Congratulations!
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 04:37 pm
This all sounds to me like a manufactured concern about speeding to cover up the fact that residents on Newport wanted fewer cars from a "less desirable neighborhood" passing their homes and they were able to get the street closed because they had political connections to certain people in Town Hall. I still have no answer from Don or Maryann or Nick as to whether the David Wagner on Newport is the father of Amy Wagner Mele.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 04:38 pm
Amy Wagner Mele is the Town Attorney.
Don August 11, 2012 at 06:00 pm
I don't know or care. Go ring his bell and find out. We did not look to see who has connections (as you suggest) to come to a resolution. Guess what...many never knew their neighbors because of a fear of getting run over while taking a stroll down the block. We got this accomplished by stating facts and concerns. At the town meetings, many neighbors introduced themselves for the first time while coming together for the same cause - the constant VOLUME of SPEEDING CARS. Here's a tip, Watchdog. Perhaps the occasional, well-written opinion piece will do more for you and your group than your endless rants in every article that mentions town officials or the police. You really make it seem like you have personal grudges, and you are losing credibility by twisting what we are saying. If there was a way to filter comments from individual users by choice, I think many would hide yours. Run for office. As the saying goes, "$&!@ or get off the pot.". I like my taxes being spent appropriately, and oversight is good. But be strategic about it, pal.
amy durbin August 11, 2012 at 06:01 pm
David Wagner is indeed Amy Mele's father as well as Brian Wagner who has a job with the Town and another brother whose name I do not know. Clarkstown is a family business.
Lee August 11, 2012 at 06:08 pm
I live on Goebel Road in New City... when I moved in (about 28 years ago), we had an average of 1-2 cars per hour on the street. Now it's about 250 cars per hour. Can I get a dead end here?
so in reality Clarksclownville is a model for a classic dysfunctional family...mmm triple AAA ratingperhaps?
Lee August 11, 2012 at 06:10 pm
Also... this has led to serious traffic accidents including TWO DEATHS!
heres a visual...i was in a discount store...there was a line to check out that had like 75 people waiting...it took a few hours to pay for everything..many of us screamed at the manager for this injustice..we said only one cashier??he said now listen up people..This is he way we do things...we pay our cashier 100 per hour!!!we have the most expensive employees!!!!they are the best!!!.
so we all looked at each other and wondered...imagine if the store had say 4 cashiers at 25.00 per hour..mmmmmbetter service...less unhappy people...get my drift people?????
Maryann August 11, 2012 at 06:14 pm
I didn't answer because I have no idea who David Wagner is. I don't know David Wagner, and only met Amy Mele at the public hearings. Therefore, I have no idea if David Wagner of Newport Drive is her father.
As for speeding, the traffic study performed in July of 2011 reported an average of 955 cars per day traveling on Newport Drive and those 955 vehicles had an average speed of 43.7 mph. The speed limit is 30 mph. That's a lot of speeding. 4% of those vehicles were traveling in excess of 60 mph. Those are the facts. These numbers have been posted on this site numerous times. I have posted them. Don has posted them. Facts are facts and numbers are numbers. YOU stop trying to spin them to suit your agenda. There was no political connection, this was the result of many years of work and persistence by the citizens. Stop trying to invent something. As for Legislator Moroney having met with Supervisor Gromack three times, for what? To express the concerns of only SOME of his constituents? Because he's supposed to represent ALL of his constituents, not pick and choose which ones he likes. He has yet to respond to any emails or phone calls from Newport Drive residents.
Voice of Reason August 11, 2012 at 06:38 pm
I like the speed bump idea. Why don't they just do that. This way traffic can flow down the street to make it easier for LOCAL residents to get through slowly and safely. No need for a gate, keys, locks, fighting and all this nonsense. Everyone should be happy with that solution.
Maryann August 11, 2012 at 06:58 pm
Because according to the town law, there has to be 1500 cars per day to qualify for speed bumps. That was actually the first idea discussed.
Culpsa August 11, 2012 at 06:58 pm
There is heavy volume on Old Route 304 can we get a gate also? Hell, why not get every residental street in clarkstown a gate and leave only the major streets for traffic. That makes a lot of sense, not. ***The most effective and economical way to avoid both speeding and volume is to install speed bump. Cars don't like speed bumps and will do anything to avoid them.
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 08:29 pm
Speed limit on Middletown Road is 30. There is not a single car doing 30. Most do 40-50. We have 170 cops costing us $200,000 percop. We should have 340 cops at $100,000 a pop. They work 179 days out of 365 with 81 days off. Now you know why they "cannotbe everywhere"!!!!!
Watchdog August 11, 2012 at 08:37 pm
Depends on who you know. The Wagner -Mele family has at Least 4 jobs. Lettrees had 3 or 4 until the kid was caught stealing copper gutters. Harriet Cornell's son is Deputy Town attorney, Shoenbergers family has 3 jobs. He had 2 himself. Get a couple of these families on your side and you can probably get anything you want.
Voice of Reason August 11, 2012 at 10:22 pm
so, I guess they don't have a town law to state how many cars per day are required to qualify to close a street. That's just silly.
LFN August 12, 2012 at 06:16 pm
In reference to Mr. Gromack's letter:
Samuel Road has been open to Newport Drive for decades--not weeks or months or even a few years but decades. By Gromack saying that he is "reverting Samuel Road in Nanuet [sic] to its former dead end status," he is making it sound as if this was a temporary measure that would eventually be reversed. The connection between Samuel Road and Newport Drive was not created as a temporary measure and after all these decades it's a well established route--or why else would there be a need to put up signs warning people of its closure. Samuel Road was a dead end because Newport Drive did not exist--it was a wooded area, but the woods are long gone. Stop making it sound as if this is a logical, inevitable action. It's not. As for members of the county legislature not thinking "it was important to call [Gromack]" prior to the vote to sue the residents of Clarkstown, Mr. Moroney has stated that he had three meetings with Gromack and was not able to resolve the matter. Furthermore, Gromack seems to be changing his tune about the reason for the road closure. First it was a speeding issue, now he is saying it's a volume issue. He should make up his mind.
LFN August 12, 2012 at 06:17 pm
To further comment on Mr. Gromack's letter:
As for it being a "shortcut," does Gromack plan to close every road that people use as a quicker means to get from point A to point B? That would be absurd and result in a great many road closures. And we are not protesting this to "avoid the traffic on South Pascack Road" but to ensure our own safety as Gromack has closed off one of our access routes in the event of hazardous conditions. It should also be noted that in addition to the 50-signature petition collected by Nicholas Miller in Nanuet, there is a 164-signature petition that includes not only those signatures of residents living on the Chestnut Ridge side of the barrier, but also those of 18 members of the Hugh Gassner Fire Company, including the assistant chief.
Watchdog August 12, 2012 at 07:55 pm
Maryann, are you privvy to the meetings Moroney had with Gromack? You shouldn't mischaracterize and disparage the work of Legislator Moroney to suit your own agenda which was only speeding until Chief Sullivan said it wasn't speeding, then it became volume when he realized he could be criticized for not doing his job. Now everyone is backtracking. Fact is, Gromack had no legal right to close that road which you will see when it hits the courts.
Watchdog August 12, 2012 at 08:03 pm
Lynn, if you ever had a dealings with Town Hall, this is the way they end up with people at each others throats. Gromack had a way of seeing to that since e pvery decision he makes is political. You can tell a lot about a person by the friends they keep. People like Ed Lettre, Vinny Reda, Frankie Sparaco, political wheeler dealers.
Maryann August 13, 2012 at 02:08 am
Please specify how it is more dangerous to Chestnut Ridge residents. The gate is easily opened if evacuation via Samuel is necessary. As for any fire, ambulance or police, how many times have Nanuet or Clarkstown responded to an emergency in Chestnut Ridge via Samuel Road?
And the only reason that Samuel was opened was to give a second point of ingress and egress in case of an emergency for the residents of NEWPORT, not for Chestnut Ridge.
Voice of Reason August 18, 2012 at 01:09 pm
Furthermore, I understand your concern with the speed. Your study did have FACTS in it, but... If you did that study on other streets you might find the same results or even worse. The solution is not to close the street. If we closed every street that had speeding problems, there would be lots of closed streets. JUST PUT IN SPEED BUMPS to slow the cars down on the residential street. You just can't go around closing streets because there is too much traffic or speed.

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