Rough Timeline for Nanuet Mall: Traditional with Outdoor Setting

Simon Properties is also planning on putting in a specialized food store

Simon Properties, owner of the Nanuet Mall, laid out a rough timeline for the Nanuet Mall after recently picking up the . Clarkstown town Supervisor Alex Gromack stopped by the Nanuet Civic Association meeting Thursday night with an update on the mall's status:

Estimated Timeline

  • April 2011: Pick up demolition papers
  • June 2011: Submit demolition papers
  • September 2011: Demolish structures owned by Simon—main mall concourse, former Boscov's department store building, 2-story parking structure adjacent to the mall off Route 59. Sears and Macy's own their respective buildings
  • 2012: Begin rebuilding and renovations
  • 2013: Open part or all of the mall

"I don’t know what they’re spending, I don’t know what this could cost, but it’s substantial," said Gromack. "What they want to do is, in about 3-4 weeks, they want to come in with a demolition plan and get it approved with our building department and health department and all our entities will have a look at that. In a perfect world, they would like to start the demolition in September … of this year. They’re ready to go.

Simon told Gromack that they want to go to the Planning Board in September and go through that process in 6-8 months to "hopefully get their approval and start construction (in February) ... and get part of it open or all of it open in late 2013."

"I don’t know if that’s a realistic goal, but them wanting to do it so quickly, six to eight months, that would be nice," he said. "So if they could start that process in September while they’re doing 3-4 months of demolition, everything’s kind of going on two tracks."

"They would like to start the demolition in 2012. I don’t know if it’s Jan (2012) or December or somewhere in between," Gromack added. "They would like to be open in 2013, and I don’t know if that’s January or December, but I think we all know that malls and entities that want to open always look at target dates and something about November and December is always an important time to open."

"So that’s the news that I have now, nothing in writing, no plans submitted, but it’s happening.  I feel a lot more confident, than all the other times that they came here and talked about what they want to do. Now I’m telling you what they intend to do."

Simon's Perspective on Rebuilding

"Why did the old Bradlees get renovated? Because That company Stop and Shop felt Clarkstown was a great investment," said Gromack. "If you go down 303 in Congers, you’ll see new entities there because we’re a good investment. If you look at where Davies Farm house is, there are going to be new incubators and businesses going in there. Good schools, safe community, recreational opportunities, great citizens, it’s a good package."

"So along comes Simon. And for the last three years, they’ve been saying, ‘We need to do something’ and I’ve heard all the rumors: that they’re selling it to the orthodox, that it’s going to be housing."

"Well this is where it’s at. I don’t have anything in writing, but I’ve spoken to the individuals again today because we’re on a roll with getting information at least verbally. They believe that Nanuet is a strong hamlet, Clarkstown is a strong town and that we’re in a good region."

A New Look

  • Macy's and Sears will remain
  • The main concourse, parking garage and Boscov's will be demolished
  • The new mall will be smaller, traditional with an outdoor setting. It will not be enclosed, nor will it be outlets. It will be somewhere in between.

"If you’ve been to the mall, you’ve probably run into their architects and engineers tapping on walls of what they’re going to knock down because they’ve got to be careful that when they knock it down, they don’t bring Sears or Macy’s down with it," said Gromack.

Since Simon does not own the buildings that house Macy’s and Sears, Gromack said those buildings would remain.

"They’re still up in the air about the look of it. And I misspoke," Gromack said referring to his previous statments of it only being a traditional mall. "It’s changed over time. I’ve called it a ‘traditional’ mall. What they tell me now is that it’s going to be more of an outdoor mall with traditional stores, high-end stores. So not like a Woodbury Commons with an outlet, but a traditional mall with outdoor setting. I have no idea what that means but they’ll start presenting plans to you and we’ll get an idea, but the good thing is that we’ve got a great planning board, a great ALC (Town Architectural and Landscape Commission), Zoning board, so it’s going to be something very special."

Public Input

  • There will be plenty of opportunity for the public to give input
  • Input will be taken at planning board meetings and when Simon or Planning board representatives visit community civic meetings

"I spoke to (Tom) Schneider today who’s overseeing it," he said. Schneider is Simon's main liason between the town and the company. "His committement is still there. Once they make their formal announcement to put the plans in that they will come to a meeting like this and other meetings because … the entire town should have input. Hopefully it will still be called the Nanuet mall."

"The one thing that I’ve said, and I think everyone agrees, is we desperately want this mall. It’s going to be a little bit smaller. I don’t know what it’s going to look like. Our standards are a lot higher, they know that and you need to have input and you will have input."

"I think a lot is going to happen in the next 3-6 weeks and it’s exciting. One of the things they’re going to do very early in the process is come (to local civic meetings). Now, they’ll tell you a number of things that they’ve got locked in, but I think that they can still talk about the look of the mall and other stores that are going in. One thing I can assure you on is an open process."


  • Banchetto Feast is moving to Main Street
  • A 60-80,000 square feet specialty food store will be included
  • The stores will be high-end stores
  • The stores at the Nanuet Mall will not likely duplicate existing stores at the Palisades Center

"I think it’s very very exciting for Clarkstown and Nanuet. When one group starts to move up, everyone moves up," Gromack said. "They talked about the Italian restaurant Banchetto, moving them out. He had such a great lease that they can’t get rid of him."

has a 25-year lease, said Gromack.

"They’re going to move him (Banchetto Feast) on to Main Street … (the) dental offices on Main Street is where they’re talking about getting Banchetto into … and he’ll live on Main Street. When they open, he’s not going back."

"The only type of store that I know is some type of specialty food store … and (my wife) believes they’re talking about a Whole Foods or a Stew Leonards," Gromack said. "One thing that they indicated is, is that anything that they do, it’s got to be high end—middle of the road and up—and it’s got to be a little bit different than the Palisades Mall."

"There’re are going to be some similarities ... (but) you can’t have the Palisades Mall with an Old Navy and the Nanuet Mall with an Old Navy, the Palisades Mall with an Ann Taylor and the Nanuet Mall with an Ann Taylor … that’s not going to work and hopefully, I think they know that."

"We’re all going to survive because you’re still going to need to go to the Palisades Mall because you need that Old Navy t-shirt, but you’re going to want to go and do some other kind of shopping (at the Nanuet mall) because they’ve got certain shops."

Q&A between Gromack and the Public

What happens to the tax base while the mall is in a demolition stage?

"I’ve got to check with Cathy Conklin (of the Clarkstown Assessor’s office), but it’s at its lowest point right now, so certainly a year or two of construction, it can’t get that much lower. There’s still Macy’s and (Sears) there. For that short term, it may not even drop anymore because it may at its lowest. Even if it drops for six months, it’s going to shoot up quickly. That’s certainly good news for the Nanuet School District."

"Cathy Conklin will have to do an assessment on square footage and tenants and everything else. I spoke to Mark McNeill (Nanuet Schools Superintendent) and Anne Byrne (Nanuet School Board President). They’re certainly excited about it certainly with the drop of (Pfizer)."

The Boscov's property, who owns that?

Simon Properties owns it.

You said before that we can’t have an Old Navy (at the Palisades center) and an Old Navy (at the Nanuet mall, meaning that there will not likely be duplicates in stores between the two malls). Does that mean that Macy’s is going to stay (or leave)?

"I believe Macy’s and Sears are staying. I believe at one point there was a discussion with Simon … they (Simon Properties) actually made offers to buy those two entities because they would have liked to knock down the whole thing and kind of start with a fresh canvas, but they (Macy’s and Sears) want to stay."

"I believe that if you have a nice airy outdoor mall … setting, that those two entities will pick up."

"I think they slowed down part of their discussion for was that there’s got to be a blend to the architecture ... I think they want to make the effort to blend in."

Will you be able to assure us that the local infrastructure will be looked at when they rebuild the mall, that it won’t destroy the Nanuet community

"Absolutely, and that’s why I think it’s very important to make sure that you attend some of the planning boards and ALC (Town Architectural and Landscape Commission) meetings and we will have committee forums. The one thing that I feel very positive about is that … I think this is a project that will bring the community together"

Gromack added that Clarkstown will have extra meetings to ensure that the public has input.

"I believe it’s a smaller mall. I don’t think it’s a particularly difficult process because it’s not a zone change. They’re downsizing it a little bit. They’re not looking to expand it bigger than it is."

"I think there will be a community benefit that we will be able to talk to them about, about roads and drainage, certainly the fire department will be involved with some of the discussions."

"The team in Clarkstown is ready. We’ve told them that it’s going to be a busy year, a lot of planning and inspections"

"We want them to meet with you. If there’s a time when they’re not able to come, we’ll have our planning department come out and our town planner come out. We’re going to have a lot of meetings. We want to make sure that what’s done by Simon is done right and it’s what the residents of Nanuet will be proud of. You’ve got my word on it"

I do know that you’re going to have two closed entitites (Macy’s and Sears) on the ends and if inside is open, do you think that presents a crime problem and the police should be involved in the planning. I don’t want to see Nanuet become a loitering area. We need to have more police in this area because we’re having this mall

"That’s one of the things that we’re going to talk about, this community benefit. The Palisades mall, I think, they make a contribution for additional police protection … so that on Fridays and Saturdays, they have some extra police.. Those are things that as we go through the process we may negotiate."

"I’m not 100 percent sure what an open mall is. They tell me it’s not quite a Woodbury Commons, it’s not an enclosed mall. I’m getting the sense that it’s more like walking down Main Street, beautiful landscapes, facades, stores that you can go into, bigger connecting stores. Hopefully they’ll be here in a month and show us some of these concepts and we’ll talk about it"

What about the traffic flow on Middletown Road?

"That’s going to be all be part of it. Those are traffic studies. A lot of time and attention is going to be put in it. We’ve got to make it work. We need to let them know that they’re entitled to build something because of the zone, but we’re entitled that there are certain standards."

"If we feel that this is going to be a very successful mall, they may have to do improvements on Main Street, work with the state DOT because they connect to a state road."

"They need to step up and pay for improvements and we’re going to ask for the moon. They’ve got a lot of money and it’s to their benefit. They don’t want to create a mall that takes an hour for someone to get into"

Movie Theater?

"I heard a rumor that there was a movie theater, but honestly, the only thing I heard about was this 60-80,000 square feet of a specialty food store."

"They’re very anxious to make a presentation and they’ll start to outline the stores that they have contracts with and the ones that they’re still trying to get and hopefully there will be some room where they’ll hear from you guys and what you would like to see."

When the Palisades Mall came, they built the firehouse for West Nyack, when Costco came, they built the firehouse in Pomona, when Home Depot came, they gave money toward a new ambulance corps building, We (Nanuet) could use a new firehouse.

"Everything’s on the table. We can certainly talk to them about community benefit. We’re going to talk to them about what they can do and certainly the firehouse is near and dear to our hearts."

Are they going to do anything to improve the shopping area with Premier Fitness?

"I don’t believe so. They’re talking about the main structure (mall concourse)."


The 913,000 square foot mall opened in 1969 and features a variety of stores on two levels and a Macy's department store on the east side of the mall, with a Sears store on the west side.

Officials at Simon Properties have not commented on the future plans for the mall, which was expanded in 1994 and fell onto hard times with the opening of the larger Palisades Center in 1998.

Simon Property Group, Inc. is an S&P 500 company that owns or has an interest in 373 retail real estate properties comprising 256 million square feet of gross leasable area in North America, Europe and Asia. Simon Property Group and employs more than 5,000 people worldwide.

Editor's Note: Check back with Patch later for the Q&A video. Thanks for stopping by.

Marty May 06, 2011 at 01:57 PM
I just have these memories of how the Palisades Center was originally going to be "high-end" stores; now look what we have gotten. As for the Nanuet Mall, I feel this white elephant will sit unbuilt as a demolition eyesore in Nanuet. Is Simon giving the town a guarantee (backed by $$$) that the new mall will be built?
Bruce Cohen May 06, 2011 at 02:05 PM
This sounds all well and good, will I still be alive to see it. Additionally, what steps (and I believe that this must be part of any PB approval) will Simon take to prevent this "new outdoor mall" from being taken over by roudy teens , remember the "old" Marketplace and the multiplex movie theater there.
Kelly Garrett May 06, 2011 at 02:08 PM
perhaps this new mall should charge a nominal fee for parking to keep out the undesireables. the westchester does it and it is such a wonderful shopping experience.
Scott Walters May 06, 2011 at 03:02 PM
You don't need to tear down the mall to get high end stores in there. The Weschester, Riverside, Short Hills, Livingston Malls and Woodbury Common, ALL OWNED BY SIMON, haven't been torn down. The food store would most likely be Whole Foods or Fairway, since Stew Leonard wanted no part of New City (I spoke with him about the Bradlee's site). All Simon has to do is offer incentive leases to their current tenants in the other malls. They could be all in by November of this year. They are choosing to do something different in order to make their books look better. Who has Gromack communicated with on this? The headquarters in Indianapolis? Has Vanderhoef done anything simliar? There is still not enough transparancy for me and until it happens, I will not hold my breath. We've heard all kinds of stuff, and none of it has made sense to date.
Scott Walters May 06, 2011 at 03:03 PM
Bill May 06, 2011 at 05:33 PM
The other stores left because of lack of business. What makes you think that they would want to come back? Honestly.. some of you people are just clueless.
Kelly Garrett May 06, 2011 at 06:33 PM
clueless are some of the people that haven't seen the turn in neighborhoods. north rockland for example has had a tremendous amount of growth in large/ upscale homes. clarkstown/orangetown/suffern the same. rockland has been fast growing as one of the top places to live because of school and lack of crime. i NEVER shop at the palisade mall because of its clientele and the size. if i'm desperate, i will go on a monday morning. however, myself and all of my friends all go to the westchester or paramus park. as a lifelong resident of rockland, i welcome this new mall and will be happy to see it flourish. bring in the new restaurants and the wonderful stores!
Kelly Garrett May 06, 2011 at 06:35 PM
oh and the undesirable clientele at the palisade mall are mostly not from rockland. they come in from the city and crappy neighborhoods.
Bill May 06, 2011 at 07:20 PM
So you NEVER shop there... except sometimes on a Monday. I live in Northern Westchester, I never go to The Westchester because I refuse to pay for parking. I have no problem with the PC.. although I do refuse to shop there between Thanksgiving and Christmas because of the crowds.
Bill May 06, 2011 at 07:20 PM
The Galleria in WP charges for parking and it doesn't do anything to keep the undesirables out.
Kelly Garrett May 07, 2011 at 03:49 AM
yes on a monday...if i'm desperate i will walk in do what i have to in 15 minutes and then out. not by leisure simply business. since you are not a resident of rockland...i guess you are not aware of the crime and gangs clearly present at YOUR beloved pc mall. as for the wetchester, i am happy to shop there so that i don't have to deal with people like you. thank you for not going there. good day.
Kelly Garrett May 07, 2011 at 03:52 AM
the galleria could be worse or equal to the palisade mall....there are no high end stores or restaurants. and also, the parking fee at the filthy galleria is a lot less than the westchester. i'm happy that you do notice the "undesirables."
Chauncy Tillinghast May 07, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Clarkstowns track record on Malls is horrendous. What Gromack and Vanderhoef want to do is get that sales tax money, they could care less about anything else since they both spent us into oblivion and need outside sales taxes to pay for jobs for their friends and bloated police and teacher salaries and benefits. Remember all the promises from Pyramid backed by the Town and County? Well! what did you get? Higher taxes and more crime requiring even more cops and a crowded prison. Don' t listen to Gromack or Vanderhoef, both career politicians out for votes.
patricia May 07, 2011 at 12:32 PM
What do we mean by high end? Is it just going to turn into all the other strip malls around? Another indor mall should be a thought after these horrible winters and brutal hot summers
tom kelty May 07, 2011 at 12:55 PM
As long as the buses run to the newest mall and you can drive your car there... the "undesirables" will come! People with $$$$ and their cars sitting there are the attraction, not if it is an outdoor mall or an upscale mall. All that is needed is the $$$$ and the crowd. So forget about that part of it. As it would be great to see some stores that are not in the area..... the companies have delivery logists to be concerned with.. you are not gonna get a restraurant that you see in delaware and south if the truck has to make a special trip up here to bring supplies. So don't go crazy hoping that you favorite store from Florida is coming!!! Ain't happening. A Stew Leonards would be a nice addition and isn't far from the normal delivery path. maybe a Bone Fish (?) and a Wally's Ice Cream store.. :) are you paying attention? Had to drop that one in there. Harbor freight tools? Walmart? Stores that wether or not you like them ..people shop at, cause the bottom line is they have to make $$$
patricia May 07, 2011 at 02:01 PM
I think a Stew Leonards (although nice) could be a nightmare... as far as traffic goes....It would draw such a crowd because of it's popularity
Bill May 07, 2011 at 02:15 PM
So you want something that you'd like shopping at, but not something that would be so popular to make the mall a success, because of traffic concerns. You should just celebrate them tearing down the mall and building nothing in its place, since it will mean even less traffic than there is now.
patricia May 07, 2011 at 02:44 PM
I think you have mixed my words....First...I've never shopped there... I it is a realize popular place and if it works great.. I simply stated it could be a traffic nightmare
patricia May 07, 2011 at 02:55 PM
Who said anything about celebrating tearing it down and leaving nothing there... I'd like to know what other high-end stores they'd bring in so it wouldn't turn into just anyother strip mall.....
karmik May 08, 2011 at 12:27 AM
How about a 10,000 seat Arena for concerts and other type of shows..........? That way, the foot traffic will be there and maybe the surrounding businesses would benefit, and recurring jobs would be created......
Mairebee May 12, 2011 at 11:06 PM
My friends, familly and I miss Boscov's as well as the old Stern's. They carried a wonderful line of clothing for the entire family at reasonable prices as well as some casual furniture, housewares and home decorating items. There is nothing in the area now that can match those stores and the very last thing we need in Clarkstown is upper end, high priced store. There are probably more of us on fixed and middle incomes that have no use for a Nordstrom or Whole Food, etc. When are the politicians going to listen to the people?
Mairebee May 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM
WHat is the big deal about whole foods & stew Leonards? I know of no one even remotely interested in either.
Mairebee May 12, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Livingston Mall is ugly with totally uninteresting stores. Their Macy's is poorly laid out as are the other larger stores. As far as Woodbury Commons goes, why would you want to walk around in the cold weather with a heavy coat on, only to perspire when you enter a store? And in the summer it's just the opposite. You're perspiring outside, only to catch pneumonia inside the overly air conditioned store. Neither is my cup of tea!
Bill May 12, 2011 at 11:59 PM
Marie, you remind me of a former neighbor of mine who, when I complained of lack of shopping in the area, told me "how many places do you need to buy corn flakes"? It's good that more people don't "think" like you ,since both Whole Foods and Stew Leonards are very successful stores, so clear people ARE interested in shopping there.
Bill May 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Marie, I see you are also an expert on outlet malls. Of course, it doesn't quite explain the success of Woodbury Commons, even during the winter months. And what does the layout of a department store have to do with the mall?
Bill May 13, 2011 at 12:03 AM
I do agree with you on this. My wife also liked Boscov's. Kohls is as close as you can get.
nicky February 16, 2012 at 03:40 PM
I think a outdoor seating area with a play ground for the kids and indoor play area will be a great idea .
rex merrins June 21, 2012 at 05:34 PM
Kelly Garrett June 21, 2012 at 09:37 PM
rex merrins, i'm far from being a snob. i give to many charities and help so many. just because i would like to see a nicer mall with better stores as opposed to the palisades mall where the "better" stores are pulling out. i.e. pottery barn, williams sonoma, etc... the nanuet mall used to be a beautiful upscale mall in the early development of rockland county. the last thing we need is another gang attracting hangout, with undesirables. i choose a better mall with better stores rather than the palisade mall. you go there and i will gladly be at the shops at nanuet. enjoy.
rex merrins August 13, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Hey Baligirl Look what happened at Nanuet Mall last week a security guard was stabbed . Now these things can happen at any mall. I worked at Garden State Plaza they get enough rif raff so does galleria in WP. Dont think the new Nanuet wont bring riff raff and shoplifting because it most certainly will. I worked at Sterns in Nanuet Mall before Palisades opened and Nanuet was no exception to shoplifting and crime so dont always point the finger at Palisades because all this riff raff is everywhere. Get wit reality about Nanuet .iTS not PERFECT.


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